I think I been introduced to art, whatever you want to call it, a long time ago. That I didn't even know what it was is I'd say when I was a kid. I was always making things and nobody never told me that it was art, and I don't even see it as art anyway.

I go to like the scrap yards. I go to dump sites. And I want kids to see this thing.- I don't want them to see it in the shiny, in the newness of it. I don't even attempt to paint so much of my work. My sculpture I kind of leave them natural with the pieces. Because you want the kids to see the whole society is not shiny and pretty, glamorous that we pretend it is, because it's not. If we was to really peel ourselves back and look at the true part of ourselves, we would be some of the ugliest things you want to see.